41. Working as a Couple with Naama Goldberg

April 27, 2022

In This Episode

Artist and web developer, Naama Goldberg, runs two businesses. One of these was a surprise from her husband, who has been her rock and support for her passions. Naama shares her journey, hopes, and dreams as an artist and the systems that she uses as she works alongside her husband.

Highlights

01:00 Naama Goldberg runs two businesses—one as a web developer and the other is with her husband creating Jewish art. Originally from South Africa, Naama grew up with a very creative and artistic background.

09:25 The Goldbergs enjoy challenges and pursuing passions out of their day jobs. Naama makes sure she and her husband still have fun working together.

17:39 Systems and protocols are given so that Naama and her husband know what to do and what their roles are.

18:38 Recently, Naama joined an art exhibit, where she focused on her message than selling her pieces to connect Judaism and art.

25:59 Naama shares her goals as an artist and entrepreneur. Despite her many plans, she knows she can get through it because her husband is right behind her every step of the way. 

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REBBETZIN BAT-CHEN GROSSMAN

Welcome to the Connected For Real Podcast! I’m Rebbetzin Bat-Chen Grossman, a marriage coach for women in business, and my mission is to bring God’s presence into your life, into your marriage, and into your business. Let’s get started. The following is one of the many conversations I had with experts and professionals about real life and how it affects marriage. Let me know your takeaways on Instagram or Facebook, @connectedforreal. Enjoy.

And we are live. Welcome everyone to the Connected for Real podcast. I am Rebbetzin Bat-Chen Grossman. A marriage coach for women in business and this is season three. So, we’re talking about couples working together and today I have Naama Goldberg. Naama, introduce yourself and tell everyone what you do and how you got to working together with your husband.

NAAMA GOLDBERG

­­­Thank you, Bat-Chen. Thank you for having me. I am originally South African, currently living in Israel in

Ramat Beit Shemesh and originally a web developer but over the last few years, I am now calling myself an artist. I am working together with my husband in creating Jewish Art. Specifically portraits of Gedolim of Jewish rabbis for in a modern rendering. This is something that just kind of happened but we–I embraced. I was looking in a Jewish religious home portraits of Rabbanim and Gedolim is is a very important aspect. Having these portraits up on our walls reminds us of our priorities in life and our focus and have these leaders just guide our way and there are many Jewish leaders and from from Jews from many different cultures and parts of the world and histories and for me when we first got married, it was the first thing was very important in my home was to make sure that there was a wall that was, that was getting allocated for the Gedolim portraits. And but also, I’ve also grew up in a very creative and artistic background and aesthetics was very important to me. So, as I was crafting together my home, I was looking for aesthetic pictures of the Gedolim to blend in to my home and from an aesthetic point of view but from the hash gaffer from the philosophical and the educational point of view. I knew the Rabbanim that I wanted up on my wall but as much as I looked and my husband and I looked we couldn’t find anything that I connected to and that I wanted to live with and I was put in a in a difficult situation that these portraits having these pictures on my walls were so important to me but the aesthetics was also very important to me in my home and feeling good in my home was very important to me and so I whatever I found was just a very different design. A little bit from previous generations and I was very into modern minimalistic design and I I really–I thought there shouldn’t be any reason that I couldn’t find what I wanted to be able to have the modern contemporary minimalistic design as well as the spirituality of the Jewish leaders and to the other portraits. But but for years we actually looked and we didn’t give up looking but I couldn’t find and I couldn’t just couldn’t put anything else on my wall. So, once sukkot which is when we wanted to put up the Gedolim in our port ben asuka as well which is also a tradition, I quickly went onto the computer and took a scanned a photo of a rav and started playing with it and it was really close to the candle lighting so I played with something. I sent it to print I went into the shower and I just told my husband just take whatever comes out and put it up on the wall. And after candle lighting when I went into the sukkah, I saw I saw this picture on the wall and I looked at it and I said, well, wow. That actually looks really interesting. There’s something very nice and special there. And that was the beginning of the idea of our portraits and later on, my husband and I always had us happy to throw all sorts of ideas up in the air of course things that could happen maybe happen or maybe never happen but we would anything was a possibility. So sometimes we would discuss about how we were going to redo our entire house and knock down all the walls and buy the apartment upstairs and integrate it and then we decided no, we don’t want the apartment upstairs, we’d take the partner next door and then we’ll buy the whole building and and then we decided no we’re not going to do that and and you know all but it wasn’t we were always talking about these options. So, we just started discussing what would be if we would create these artworks ourselves and what would they look like? What material would we be using and we started talking about stainless steel, laser-cut stainless steel at that time it was coming out into the shops and I was very fascinated by it because very minimalistic, precision made and I thought that was a great material. And we had all sorts of discussions but then at some point we went to South Africa to visit my parents and my husband disappeared off for a few minutes and for a while and he came back with this big box. I said, “What’s that? What’s inside? And he opens it up and presented me with a laser-cut stainless-steel portrait of Rav Shach and for taken from the graphic that I had created for the sukkah. He had gone and he had contacted laser laser cutters working with stainless steel in South Africa. He’s an aeronautical engineer and so he works with aircraft and metal and so for him dealing with metal was like no big deal. For me it was it was really a foreign concept. How would we even star? And he just went ahead and did it. And he brought it home and I was wow this is amazing. This isn’t something else amazing and then that question was, “wow that’s just one French layer. Now what do we put behind it and then what do we do with all the details? Do we frame it? Don’t we frame it? We put a signature, don’t we? And with every single stage, it was a big decision because I was very pedantic about I wanted this to be top quality minimalistic art and but it had to be clearly identifiable, who the rav was because that was the most important which is that that we should be able to identify and connect to this Jewish leader and my children should be able to connect to it and know it is and find their place in Jewish history and so I didn’t–it was we had to work on many France to make it happen but after a couple of years of working on it and getting it finally up on our wall when people came in and I put it on the wall straight as you open the door, people would see it when they walk in and they just looked at it and they said–“wow! Where did you get that? Where can I get that?” And I realized that as much as we loved it other people loved it as well and they were also looking for that that was looking for that connection to the Rabbanim to continue the Jewish tradition and and but in a modern minimalistic style that there’s no contradiction between the two and they wanted to integrate that into their homes and into their office and into their schools, And so my husband and I decided that there seems to be a need and a market and Hashem put this opportunity in our hand. We weren’t looking for it but here it is and let’s see what we can do with it. And so we decided to continue expanding our to launch the business, to launch a website to be able to process international orders and then to expand our collection so that so that we can offer Rabbanim up to all Jews all over the world coming from different cultural backgrounds to inspire them for the to Jews coming from North Northern Africa, Jews coming from from Iraq, from and to Hasidim to Litaim to lubavitch and where we are now is we currently have twenty seven different artworks that we’re selling all over the world and people are coming to us all the time to ask us for more because this really connects them to their their Jewish identity and to their modern being in the world. And what was very very special about this is that I found myself in a in a in a business working with my husband on a totally different level. I came from the artistic side; my husband came from the technical side. And and we and we needed each other intrinsically in order to create these artworks.

REBBETZIN BAT-CHEN GROSSMAN

So, I want to really get–first of all I think that it’s so awesome that he made it for you as a surprise because we talk about this all the time, right. In the especially in the retreat and everything that I do your husband wants to make you happy so badly and when he finally found something that he can do that he knew you were going to be excited about, he went out of his way and made it happen and it really made you happy, right. So, the seed of this whole project is that manifestation of exactly what we’re talking about all the time which is if you communicate what you need and what makes you happy, your husband will know what makes you happy and then he’ll go and do it and surprise you and that feels really good. So, I think that’s really beautiful.

NAAMA GOLDBERG

All right. Very much so.

REBBETZIN BAT-CHEN GROSSMAN

So, how–tell me about the challenges about working together because you’re the artist. He’s the technical side. You’re working on a joint project. How do you make sure that you don’t bump into each other, that there’s no conflict that there’s no frustrations resentment?

NAAMA GOLDBERG

Right. Yeah. That that is something that we’re very aware of we’re very aware of I think we grew up knowing that you should not go into business with your family and with your husband. So, when this happened so that was definitely a question. And number one, I think the both of us enjoy a challenge and we enjoy something in addition to what our day jobs are and so for us initially this was a fun project to work on together and that’s what I I try to keep us that way and I try to ensure that this is still fun and enjoyable and that it just doesn’t become stressful and there doesn’t be any any resentment or pressure in any way as much as possible because that’s what I think that’s what keeps us going and that’s what keeps it enjoyable and I’m very aware of reservation as we grow and we are that we have we set things up in a way that when we see that those–that it’s becoming too much that we can bring other people in and lower the pressure on us and we can make the decisions of we want to do this or we don’t want to go into this and we don’t feel pressurized. Also, very early on decided that to give ourselves titles and I I titled my husband with the CTO–the Chief Technical Officer and myself the COO–the Chief Operations Officer and so that we could understand for ourselves and also if for each other that my husband is in charge of the technical aspects and I have to give him all the authority and believe that he will do it and and do it up to the specifications that are needed and and trust that there often there are times when I might remind him for something he may have forgotten but I know that he is that that is his domain and that I need to respect that and him also with the artistic areas and that that sometimes I can drive him a little bit mad because artistically there’s a dot in the wrong  place and it’s just not rounded enough just a tiny bit and that that can kind of drive him mad because that’s take on the test and technical aspects. That’s fine, and we so that’s that’s understanding each other’s roles is really, really important and respecting that and also working out a I try to work out a a plan of action a protocol for everything that we do because we I found it very early on that I would create a create a graphic and he would be very excited and go and start working on that technical aspects and then I said, “wait a minute, I wasn’t finished”. Don’t start yet because then he’s done a whole lot of work so we we try and create a protocol of so that we can understand each other and know when when my job is done. When he should continue and keep it as formal as possible while still enjoying the process and having fun together.

REBBETZIN BAT-CHEN GROSSMAN

So wow! This this sounds amazing. How do you shift from working to living, right? This is one of the biggest questions that comes up when working with your husband. How do you not let it spill over into your entire life? How do you not stay up all night talking about this? You know, the detail about this thing or that thing and sort of shutoff business so that you can have a life?

NAAMA GOLDBERG

All right. It’s a very big challenge. I get I hear that that’s a challenge for everyone. It’s a big challenge also, especially because I think we enjoy what we do so, and we enjoy the time together. So, –but as my grandfather said in Afrikaans, “te veel van ‘n goeie ding is ongesond”, anybody out there understands that? Too much of a good thing is unhealthy, and so as much as we we love that we love the time together, yes too much of it we have to understand when it’s time to shut off and when it’s time to not talk about it, and to think about other other things. What what has been interesting that not only has it filtered out between my husband and I but it has actually faulted into our family, and my children have become part of of the business in terms of part of understanding who the Godelim are, that we never that we were never exposed to before. Being part of the production process of making boxes and of sourcing things and cleaning things and even when I’m looking for photographs of the of Godelim so I would send my kids to my room to go and so with the specific orders. “You can go get an ice cream but you need to find me a photo of this Rav and it’s become a real family event and that I think has benefited us in so many ways and but at the same time as I see it benefiting in terms of expanding our Jewish world and delving into the Godelim. l am I am very weary about the borders that we they shouldn’t always see us working and that we shouldn’t always be involved in it because it can turn something good into something not good. And that is something that we’re constantly working on. I can’t say that I have a solution yet, but I definitely try to try to create boundaries and it’s definitely on my to-do list every single week to maintain to make sure that I’m aware of that of creating boundaries of a family time of of time out and of what we what we speak about because it’s it’s a real it’s a real threat because especially since it’s something that you enjoy and can be good but the but the the it can switch to something not so good very quickly, very easily. That’s something we have to be aware of.

REBBETZIN BAT-CHEN GROSSMAN

Wow. So did you make this your full-time endeavor? Did you leave what you were doing before and now this is your main thing because you were originally a computer programmer? You said –yeah, I’m a WordPress developer.

NAAMA GOLDBERG

Currently, I’m actually running two businesses. So, I’m I am working still in the WordPress and I’m also doing doing this I believe that, –first of all, I enjoy both of them I enjoy I enjoy the the programming aspect and the the web aspect but I also am enjoying this process of building a business and over the last years I’ve I’ve taken multiple courses and learned an absolute fortune. And I believe that at some point I will be able to integrate the two together. I don’t know what Hashem has installed for me. I don’t know what opportunities are coming but I believe that everything I’m learning and the process I’m going through that he’s given me through these Gedolim portraits are actually going to benefit me in some way later on. And actually, I recently felt that because I had gave a presentation at a networking group about web development and what I did is I used my artwork and my art business to present all about web development in the process of taking a company through and the aspects that influence the the marketing, the getting out there the and that was this whole process I’ve gone through. So, I don’t know what plan Hashem has out there for me but I I think I’m I’m on the road and we’ll see where things land up.

REBBETZIN BAT-CHEN GROSSMAN

Wow. That’s amazing. So, what I’m hearing from you is that they very well might merge and they do affect each other. What about your husband because your husband was very much on the technical side and now is he still doing what he was doing before and this is his side thing or is he all in?

NAAMA GOLDBERG

Right. So, my husband is is definitely still fully focused on what he was doing before. As an aeronautical engineer and that is something I’m also very clear about that that is his full focus and he helps me on the side. I very much decided to move forward with this and create the business and take it to the next level and and that is something I want to do and I feel very strong about but and he is very supportive of it and enjoys and helps me in the process but I have to remember that that’s my endeavor and that I can’t in any way take him away from his full-time job which is also his passion and he’s been playing with airplanes since he was a little a little boy and he continues to do that now, And I have to also know that I have have to create boundaries about how much I can ask from him. When I can, when I can ask things from him because full focus and my focus.

REBBETZIN BAT-CHEN GROSSMAN

And this is why it’s so important you you guys put in systems and protocols and it it just that is so important.

You’re so clear and I love that are you really good at time management.

NAAMA GOLDBERG

I’m pretty good at time management and and I I enjoy the I enjoy putting processes together and and it’s –I really want to it’s really important to me that if we’re going to make this happen we have to build the basis of our business on a very solid basis that we can scale properly and that we can enjoy the process and not not rush to do something too fast and then and then fail later on because we didn’t think it through, and we didn’t set it up right, and that if we want to scale and we want to be bigger then I can’t have my husband working day and having to –I can’t take off work to be physically there to do the work that has to be done. We have to build it in a way that that someone can take over from him where it’s needed and that his specialty will remain only in the areas that that needs to be. And that’s it’s a big focus of ours.

REBBETZIN BAT-CHEN GROSSMAN

Wow. That’s huge. Okay. tell me about the art exhibit that you had because this is so amazing that I’m sure people noticed it. What, what happened? How did you get into an art exhibit?

NAAMA GOLDBERG

So, so I recent– that’s the exhibit I recently had an in Ramat Beit Shemesh in the Beit Shemesh municipality building, in the lobby. I noticed an article about an artwork that was that was there in on the walls and at the bottom of this article it said, contact us if you would like an exhibition. If you would like to exhibit and I I don’t think anybody did, except me. And I’m because I’m I’m constantly out there looking for ideas and opportunities and I was here, “well, I’ll call. They can say yes. They can say no.” And I called and the person came to see my to see my art and she was really really excited by it because and one of the reasons I was also excited about the opportunity of exhibiting there is that in Beit Shemesh we have a whole all a whole lot of different types of Jews all living together and that that at some point has has caused some difficulty and has caused a lot of need for unity and understanding and respect that you have very religious Hasidic Jews, you have very traditional Jews, they’re Mizrahi, Kharadi, American, Israeli. All all from the whole gamut and also from all over the world. It’s not even that sometimes people come and say, “oh the Americans”, but it’s not even Americans. I mean I’m South African. In my building, there is a family from Brazil, from Russia, from England, all over the world. So, everybody has to work to live together and the amount of shuls in our area is huge. And they’re all full. And they’re all different. On our street, we have I think eleven shuls. And there are and there’s there’s Breslov, there’s two two or three sparty shuls, one English sparty shuls, a Hebrew sparty shuls and it’s amazing it’s wonderful and I I love the fact that everybody can live as Jews and be and according to their traditions according to what’s important to me, to them and according to how they connect with Judaism whether it’s from the Breslov connecting with simcha or from other types of connections that people should be able to do that and that we should respect that that ability. So, being able to present at the area, I felt was an amazing opportunity that I could present Rabbanim from the entire specter of Judaism. From the Spiridim, from the Hasidim, from the Ashkenazim, from the Lubavitch and put them all together in a very respectable Muhammad way that everybody who walks through the area which is all of Beit Shemesh which is all of our Israel basically could come and see their abundance next to each other, but in a beautiful way, respectful way living together peacefully. And that was a very big for myself I very much wanted to give over over that that message. That it is possible for us to live together respect each other and and be in peace and unity and–

REBBETZIN BAT-CHEN GROSSMAN

–beautiful.

NAAMA GOLDBERG

So, that was that was and and we actually just I I put off the exhibition for for a few months because I hadn’t finished the Hasidic side of the Robbanim and I really wanted them to be able to display there at the same time and when we had an opening an opening of the exhibition the mayor of the city. Liza Bloch was there and I spoke about my ex my exhibition and she also spoke and she loved the idea as well because I believe that we should all be able to work together to to achieve it and I know she’s definitely working to achieve that and and that was my part in the story.

REBBETZIN BAT-CHEN GROSSMAN

That’s so beautiful. I love I love that your your your antennas are up for ideas of how to be creative not only within the business but also in the way that you present the business and the way that you market the ideas, right. Because a person could be very laser focused on, “I need to sell”, or “I need people to buy”, but really it’s a bigger I it’s a bigger picture that matters. It’s not so much about how many I sell. It’s more about what is the message, I’m I’m giving and how can I get in front of people so this is an amazing strategy that I don’t know if you’re aware of but it’s just really phenomenal to see that you’re in that space.

NAAMA GOLDBERG

All right. Thank you. Thank you very much. I think we discover a lot of when we start an endeavors or there we have these opportunities that we go for. It brings up a lot of ourselves and we don’t realize initially. We think you start off business thinking I’m selling product a and then you realize well maybe there’s a reason that you’re selling product a and maybe there’s something that’s drawing you towards it and then you and and it’s very been a process of self-discovery. I’m discovering myself and my family and our values and I feel very privileged that I’m able to work in distributing Jewish connection to the world as well as artistic connection and the synergy of the two together which are very big values for my of my own.

REBBETZIN BAT-CHEN GROSSMAN

I love that. I love that and I want to bring you back to the beginning of the conversation when you discussed you before you even said anything about your business you said, me and my husband liked to dream and to just imagine what if. “What if we could buy upstairs. What if we could buy next door”? That is so important in a marriage to be able to just dream up and be curious and play because that is where great ideas come from, right. That’s where creativity comes from. You can’t force a good idea. You have to let it come out of you and it doesn’t surprise me that you’re able to work together in such a seamless way when your entire basis is all about just having a good time together, right. Dreaming up. Talking. Having a good time. Being without it having to mean anything. “Who cares if we can’t afford the apartment next door?” it’s just it’s just just a fun thought. This is something that many people don’t do because, “well I can’t afford it anyway so what’s the point, right”. What’s the point of thinking things that aren’t in our in our our immediate way of reaching, our immediate reach? So, that’s something I want to bring up because it really brings it all together, right. The way you started in the way that where you are now, I can see the progress and the seeds were already there. So, that’s pretty amazing.

NAAMA GOLDBERG

That’s that’s amazing. I very much did thinking about now that we came to in 2022 now and we think about goals and things that I’ve been my growth. They’ve said, I’ve heard that to set the goals for 2022, you should set your biggest and far-reaching goals that you may not even get there but you could think of ideas and and it gets your mind thinking of where you could be, and then you have a chance of reaching something and not let it be you say, “how would I do that? Or that’s unrealistic? But yes, to think that it’s possible. Who knows?

REBBETZIN BAT-CHEN GROSSMAN

That’s super cool. Would you share with us some of your outrageous goals? What is it that you want to achieve? Maybe we can all as a community support you and share the message or share your links to get you there. I think that would be so cool.

NAAMA GOLDBERG

Oh well, thank you. I’m trying to think what our goals were. The goals were to, –I would like to become known within the Jewish art world so as an as a name because currently very few people actually even know that the art exists and and when they discover it, they love it but they don’t even know it. So, there are threats Hashem. I have for one one something I set in motion almost a year ago it’s going to be happening this upcoming week. I’m going to be in Mish Baja. Please G-d in the first section and so sorry–

REBBETZIN BAT-CHEN GROSSMAN

In the magazine–

NAAMA GOLDBERG

In the magazine. Yes, in the magazine. So that will allow people to to unders –to know that this exists. To know that they can bring it into their homes and that is that is a big dream to get into the American community that they should know that I’ve I’m fully aware that my author’s art is very subjective and that there’s some people who look at it and love it and there’s some people who look at it and just walks throgh past, they don’t even notice it or they don’t or they really do not like it and that’s totally okay. I’m okay that not everyone is going to love it but for those people who do and those people are searching for it, they should know it exists and they should not have know that there is no contradiction between good Jewish art and art and spirituality, Jewish brutality. I hope to get into the English market which is something that we have not gone into into Europe. And to spread the message there between the Jews. One thing we discover is that every every community is slightly different and getting to them is very different. You have to understand those communities and even us going into the Hasidic market. it’s been, a it’s we’re still trying to work it out but it’s just understanding people from where they’re coming from and that that has been a very big challenge and we hope that, I hope that’s that and then as we expand and probably zoom do more American Rabbanim so that people can connect to Rabbanim that are closest to them then that will bring up the the amount of sales that we’re having and then we’ll enable us to expand and and create something to create a massive a massive change of with within the world that there should be the people who are not putting up Rabbanim pictures at the moment. They’re just leaving their walls empty. Well we’ll have the pictures on their walls the Rabbanim that they can connect to that will affect their lives and affect the children’s lives and we hope to part of that change.

REBBETZIN BAT-CHEN GROSSMAN

Right. I love how you say that it’s just the bigger vision which is really great really really great. Okay. How can people find you? How can people connect to you? What is the name of your business so that people could know what to look for?

NAAMA GOLDBERG

Thank you. So, the name of my business is Ben Zion Fine Arts. Ben Zion is first of all a very a very strong name in my family going back many many generations and if it feels we felt represents the the Godelim who are referenced as Benezeon and and so we chose that as a brand name for our art you can find us on our website https://benzionfinearts.com/ also on Facebook, on Instagram on LinkedIn. I encourage you to to join us on social media of the content that we’re putting out there is very relevant to our lives and as as  as our lives and as religious Jews within a modern world, in a working world and how we navigate that and what we’ve seen from our experience. How we’ve navigated. It was both from my husband’s experience to being an engineer who’s sent all over the world with with a few hours’ notice to go and save a plane. And and so I think it will also benefit very beneficial for people to read and we’re located in Ramat Beit Shemesh. And our artworks again is, it’s laser cut laser cut from stainless steel. And they’re all the same size so that they can be combined on your wall and fits your the space. You can choose your Rabbanim and fit the space. So, no wall we have three artworks. One next to each other or you could have one artwork in a corner. We’ve had, we’ve worked with architects who have bought taken nine artworks and done a good island wall. Three by three Gedolim. We’ve had our artworks –have been the non-profits have loved to take our artworks as donations to give to their donors who they very much appreciate and are looking for very special gifts for them and that has been a big success. We’re also able to inscribe, engrave on the artwork, it’s for a special occasion so that it could be very personalized.  And a lot of people ask us whether if we don’t have a rav in in our collection. Would we be able to add one? And the answer is yes. We’d be happy to add more Rabbanim. We would like to expand borrow fish and there are so many Rabbanim out there so it’s hard to know which ones to go for but we’re very happy. Please let us know. And we also offer a service of custom portraits. Sometimes for a family event for a grandparents, special anniversary might want to do a portrait of the grandparents and divide and divide porches up between the family and the grandchildren and that’s also something that we can do. So, these are all different options that’s that we offer the best is to contact us on our website or at me at naama@benzionfinearts.com or on Instagram, Facebook. Yeah.

REBBETZIN BAT-CHEN GROSSMAN

That’s amazing. This is so so fun. I’m loving it. Really really appreciate that you came on and by the way it’s anybody who’s watching live or who wants to go back and watch the Youtube channel, if you look behind Naama, one of her portraits is behind her. Yeah, I think it’s really beautiful. Thank you so much. I appreciate you. I appreciate that you are bringing awareness to the ability to live everything this and that. This is something that I stand for you can be married and have a business and you can be connected to G-d and do all of the things, right. You don’t have to separate yourself or you don’t have to leave something behind in order to invest in something else. So, I love that you’re doing that. Standing for that and being able to have this and that the the artistic and stylistic approach in your house and in your environment to also the values that matter to you, which is really really amazing. So. thank you. If you have one piece of advice to give to someone who is thinking of working with their husband or is in the process of, “oh, wow. We actually have a good idea together.” What would you say?

NAAMA GOLDBERG

I would say to think about how this is gonna to benefit you and how you can enjoy the process together and ensure that you keep enjoying the process together. If it’s a purely financial thing or a venture or or something that that doesn’t connect you, have to work out how this is going to connect you and and build you and and not not only just how them what the money that’s going to come in because you have to this has to be a connecting experience.

REBBETZIN BAT-CHEN GROSSMAN

I love that don’t focus so much on the result. Focus on the journey. Yes. The result comes at the end anyway it just shows up

NAAMA GOLDBERG

As long as the journey is the journey is strong and as long as you keep it strong and fun and pleasant then you’ll get there but that has to be the focus.

REBBETZIN BAT-CHEN GROSSMAN

Thank you so much, Naama. Thank you, everyone for joining us. We will see you next time. Thank you.   

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